关于臧棋与西藏围棋

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臧棋可指西藏各类棋类游戏的总称，也可以特指密芒和久棋。当我们谈到藏式围棋的时候，又有特殊的内涵。所以这几个概念需要先弄清楚。

肥仔胡

最好能配个插图，本来三月份我要去拉萨的，被携程劝退了。据说陈盈在拉萨围棋协会当领导，楼主如果有可能也介绍一下。

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Tibetan Gundru

Gundru (Gun-dru, Mig-mang, Ming-mang) is a traditional game from Tibet. It is played on a 9x9 grid with 16 pieces initially placed on the board, and equally many are kept in the reserve. The object is to capture the enemy stones. Stones slide orthogonally in any direction, like the chess rook. Capture is done by enclosing a row of enemy stones between two of one’s own. Many stones can be captured at the same time, both vertically and horizontally. Capture can occur over corners, when a line of stones makes a perpendicular turn anywhere on the board. Captured stones are immediately removed and replaced with friendly stones. When a player has only one stone left, it acquires the capability to capture by the short leap, one jump at a time. Capture is not mandatory. If a player builds an impenetrable fortress and only moves pieces within it, then the other party shall be regarded as the winner. It is important to gain space, thus leaving the enemy with fewer move freedoms. As this game uses the ancient interception capture, it is probably quite old. (There seem to exist other references to Mig-mang or Ming-mang where the rules described are not the correct ones.)

Capture can also occur of rows of pieces that turn perpendicularly. Captured pieces swap colour.

In this example all black pieces are captured (swapped). Is Gundru a precursor of Go?

Reference

Rin-chen Lha-mo (1926). We Tibetans. London: Seeley Service & Co. Limited.

http://mlwi.magix.net/bg/gundru.htm

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aaa1234 发表于 2022-6-15 09:48
Tibetan Gundru

Gundru (Gun-dru, Mig-mang, Ming-mang) is a traditional game from Tibet. It is play ...

Top-ranked Go players race to Tibet for promoting ancient board game
Xinhua, June 15, 2017]

LHASA, China, June 15 (Xinhua) -- The Tibet Autonomous Region of China has witnessed a special contest combining the ancient board game Go and car rally, during which six Chinese top Go players, including world champion Ke Jie, not only played with each other but also acted as navigators for the rally racers along the Sichuan-Tibet highway.

The contest, from June 2 to 14, aimed to promote Go in Tibet and Ke Jie was crowned at the base camp of Mount Qomolangma.

"I always dream of coming to Tibet and have enjoyed the rally very much. The view here is gorgeous as painting," Ke said.

The six Go players faced off against each other at different locations, including the Potala Palace. They also visited a local primary school in Lulang county of Ningchi.

"We taught the pupils some basic rules of the game, and they got the hang of it in a short time. This contest benefits the popularization of Go, and I hope there will be more like-minded people, who can appreciate the beauty of the game," Ke said.

Tuo Jiaxi, another top Go player, said, "Only a few pupils here were familiar with Go. So the basic introduction was necessary. And we communicated better through the game."

The contest is fairly new in the country, and the arrival of top-ranked players is a big moment in promotion of Go in Tibet.

Ye Jiangchuan, a chess master and an official of China's General Administration of Sport, said that the contest is a unique mixture which can serve as a shining example for other sporting events.

In 2017, Lhasa, the capital city of the Tibet Autonomous Region, has seen more than 140 students learning in the city's Go school. Enditem

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程晓流在八十年代研究过藏棋

肥仔胡

肥仔胡

西藏围棋有没有和座子棋非常像的元素？座子，白先行，每多一块扣一个子。至于座子的数量和分布的方式，藏棋和范施的那种固有套路，是有类似性的。这说明两点:1，座子棋的精华，藏棋都保留了。至于不能马上回提（比如不能打二还一）等座子棋没有的精华也保留了。2，藏棋毁灭了没有？因为有些人所谓“外来文化的侵略”消亡了没有？没有，新中国的体育主管部门显然比座子帮更具有宽容心，知道兼容并包，事实上围棋，藏棋，座子棋都有各自的比赛，各自的出版物。爱好者们其乐融融。这样不是很好吗？非得势不两立不可吗？非得把最主流的游戏打倒吗？非要把赞成现代围棋规则的绝大多数人污名化不可吗？这就霸道，不讲理。比如有人说“不爱吃月饼，喜欢西餐的汉奸”，这就很不讲道理了，人家如果有糖尿病呢？人家如果是归国爱国华侨，有西餐习惯呢？别误会，我喜欢吃月饼，我从没吃过西餐（麦当劳之类除外)，刀叉都不会用，但我绝对尊重别人吃西餐的权利。

肥仔胡

印刷术是中国的发明。但是如果有人说，现代印刷都是文化侵略，印刷厂一律拆设备，必须采用木刻活字印刷术才行，否则一律汉奸，大家作何感想呢？围棋的主体规则保留了古规则的90%，大概只有10%的改良，就被定义为文化侵略，难道肯德基卖豆浆，豆浆就因此脏了，就变成了“外来文化侵略”不成？

solueize

月饼这种面粉糕点的原型也是从中亚传来的。当然说出真相虫友又要大破防了。